Muneeza Ahmed

talks about how are current SICk care system isn’t designed to help people with long-term, metabolic illness. The system treats symptoms not people. She wants to change that and it starts by listening to people, listening to their bodies, and then looking at everything in their life, their diet, their activities, and working to stop the influence of poisons and other negative environmental things from affecting people’s health.

A little bit about Muneeza ...

Muneeza is the Intuitive Medicine Woman®. She is also the creator of the Muneeza Method®, a powerful method she has developed in 14 years of practice with thousands of clients to help people receive the information they need to heal. She is the author of the Healing Chutneys & Sauces Recipe book, soon to be released on Amazon.

She has the gift of intuition to be able to ‘read’ people and be able to determine the root causes of illness and symptoms experienced. She can also tap into their emotional struggles. This gift, combined with the power of the information from Medical Medium® that she uses in her practice, is able to help clients reverse chronic and autoimmune illnesses.

Over the past 14 years, she has supported over 10,000 people in more than 85+ different countries, to discover and understand their bodies’ intuition and unique needs to heal from within. Using herbs, supplements, healing, and wild foods and by helping people recognize the PTSD they carry in their bodies, she helps people heal from illness so they can enjoy a thriving, joyful life.

She has had a calling to be a medicine woman and healer since she was a little girl. She is utterly fascinated by the human body’s ability to heal and has been exploring this actively since she was a teenager. She learned about natural healing from her family (her grandfather was a homeopath and her grandmother was a botanist) and she has developed her own intuitive healing techniques.

she has had her own health struggles since she was a young child: asthma, allergies, tuberculosis, multiple chemical sensitivities, eczema, acne, neurological Lyme disease, migraines, IBS, bloating, and more (all symptoms she has reversed). She struggled with the medical system and had no answers for her own health until a book about inflammation helped her change her diet in 2005 and she was relieved of breathing symptoms she had her whole life. This led her on a journey she is still on today, constantly learning and healing her body at deeper levels than before.

If you have struggled with no answers from doctors for your symptoms and conditions, are told that your body is attacking itself, or that your symptoms have no known cause or cure, she would love to hear from you! Check out her website at She helps empower you with confidence to heal your body and reverse the symptoms of chronic illness.

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Robert Peterson 1:03
Muneeza thank you so much for joining me today. I'm so excited to have this conversation. Just looking forward to sharing your journey and your story with our listeners.

Muneeza Ahmed 2:50
Thank you for having me here, Robert. It's a pleasure and a joy to be here. I love the whole focus of your podcast, it seems all to be about goals and getting results. And that's something I'm I love talking about.

Robert Peterson 3:05
Well, that's perfect. So when would you just share your entrepreneurial journey? What's led you to the impact you're making in the world today?

Muneeza Ahmed 3:13
Sure, I actually my journey started with me sitting in my car, just coming out of my doctor's office. And once again, learning that I

my life. I was in my 20s I was mid 20s. And I thought I feel awful. And I don't have a vision for my future. And I'd lost all my hope. And in that moment, I was sitting in a car and I was thinking to myself, this cannot be all that I have to live with for the rest of my life. This cannot be the only answer for me. And I decided in that moment that I was going to take matters into my own hands and actually figure out more about what was going on with my health there had to be answered. And I was convinced. So you know I did what a lot of your listeners have probably done maybe you have done Robert. I thought my doctors don't have answers. So I'll go to Dr. Google is right, why did I go down some rabbit holes. And it was about I would say about close to like 2000 hours of research I put in over the next few months. And I figured out that, you know, I needed to fix what was wrong with my food, I felt like, what I concluded was, a lot of what I was eating was inflammatory. A lot of what I was eating wasn't suiting me. And I decided to change my diet. I cut out sugar, dairy, grains, meat, eggs, overnight. And I decided that I was going to work on my healing. But I'll tell you something. What happened to me in the next few months after I made these changes, was that my whole life transformed. I went from being very exhausted and sick, to having energy for days. I went from having no, no kind of hope, for my future. And I had no answers for my doctors. And I went to having a clear plan that was actually giving me results that my doctors couldn't provide. And I went from managing my symptoms with medications, to healing my symptoms through food. And most of all, I got my life back. For the past 15 years, right, I've helped over 10,000 people, just like you, maybe your listeners from around the world to reverse chronic and autoimmune symptoms. And like many of you, I knew in my bones that something wasn't right. I knew that doctors didn't have a clue. I knew that even though I was relying on medications to manage symptoms, that it wasn't the answer. And I believe that no matter how poor your health, no matter what you are up against in life, no matter what you can be healthy again.

Robert Peterson 7:23
Well, I love the first step, obviously, right? I mean, obviously sitting in your car scared and alone is a crappy place to be, you're already in a crappy place before you went to the doctor and expect the doctor to take care of you. Right? We expect the doctors to have machines. And typically their solutions in nowadays just involve pills, because they're treating symptoms. What you said, I turned to Dr. Google, which I said, Ooh, because that's a risky place to go. Right. But it was, the bigger piece was you took responsibility. You said my health is not the doctors responsibility anymore. My body's not the doctors responsibility. It's, it's my responsibility. And that step is though, is where the power lies, right? That step is where you say, Look, I'm, I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired. And, and these people that I trusted, these people I've been taught to trust, are no longer showing themselves to be trustworthy. And so I have to take care of myself. And that applies not just in our medical situations, it applies in our job, it applies in our family, it applies in all of these places in our life, where if you're giving your power over to somebody else, yeah, you need to stop and say, No more. I'm taking responsibility for my life, my body, my thoughts. And that allows you the opportunity to make this change that you like you've made in your life.

Muneeza Ahmed 8:50
Right. And to come back to your question about what started the entrepreneurial journey. It was this because I realized that once I started to figure out that food was such an important part of my healing. I was determined to take this to other people. And I said, How come? We're not talking about this? How come doctors don't know about this? How come you know even when I went back to my pulmonologist, after I got better, as you know, for a checkup, and I and he's like, Whoa, you're completely different. All your blood works different. You're not, you know, you're not registering as an asthmatic anymore. You're not having any allergic symptoms anymore. Like he saw that everything had changed. And I said to him, I said, Can I tell you what I did? And he said, No, it's fine. Just keep on doing what you're doing. It's clearly working for you and sent me on my way. And that was that moment that was so crushed me because in a way, I felt like Why wouldn't he be willing to hear what helped when his stuff didn't help? And I wanted to be a Doctor Robert, I spent, you know, I spent a lot of time doing applications to med school after in my senior year of high school. And I ended up not going for a variety of reasons. But I had so much faith in doctors because I wanted to be one and I wanted to help people. And I realized in that moment that this system is not designed to help people in the way that they need it for chronic illness, you break a leg, great, your doctor's best place to go, you have a car accident, God forbid you get hurt, you got injured, you need a heart transplant, great place to go. But when it comes to chronic illness, there are no answers. Right? Partly because

Robert Peterson 10:37
they don't listen. Partly because they're not, they're not listening to, or even looking for root cause. Right? They've been trained and, and I think anesthetized to be focused on symptom treatment, right? You have a headache, take aspirin, that's our solution. And you have depression, you have depression, you don't feel right, you're sad. take antidepressants. So now we have this epidemic of drug use in this country. And everybody's crying out saying, Well, why? Well, because everybody's going to the doctor saying, Give me a drug to make me feel better give me a drug that make me feel better, because we're all focused on making me feel better. Instead of what's the cause doing the work?

Muneeza Ahmed 11:21
Right. There's there is I also think that there's a lack of critical thinking. I mean, in today's world, there is no excuse for anyone not to be able to look into their diet and their health, because the information out there is overwhelming. There's so much I mean, I took I've read 800 books on health, you know, there's so much information available, and there's nuggets that can help people if you're willing to look, but a lot of people like you said, with a part of responsibility, people aren't willing to take responsibility for their health, it's a scary place to be. And when it comes to like my entrepreneurial journey, I think entrepreneurs to take charge, similar to people taking drugs to help, they also then take charge of their their life, their work, their finances, you know, it's a huge in a way risk to take. But it's also a huge when you work those pieces out. It's it's I don't I couldn't imagine living another way.

Robert Peterson 12:23
Right? Well, and I think the people that have stepped out on their own start to see the world in a different way. And, and not only are I think for the most part, entrepreneurs more positive, have a different outlook on life. They also recognize that I've taken control of my business life, my job, yeah, I can take control of my physical life. And they start to see things differently. And I think for the most part, the majority are really focusing differently. And I call it a crucible, right. It's a crucible of life, kind of like marriage is a crucible for relationships. And if you're willing to grow and change through that crucible, right, you allow the pressure and the heat to change you, you get great results, because you're looking at a destination differently. And it's no different in your medical journey. And you're not the first person that's come on this show. And I just interviewed Dr. Elliot Skolnick off who, who basically shared the same thing he's like, I'm part of the system, and I'm stepping outside of the system to do the things that I'm doing because the system wasn't working for people, right, I want to help people. And the sad thing is, like you've mentioned your experience, is that very few doctors want to step out of that. They're, they're stuck in a system that in many cases, they're content with, because it's paying them and it's paying their bills. And, and, and they don't want to push, they don't want to push back against it. So I love that you taking responsibility, I want you to know that there are others out there like you and I'm going to introduce you to a few of them. Because I've got really good friends that have been on the show that are friends of mine that have healed their autoimmune diseases in much the same way. They've changed their diets, right. And taking responsibility. Dr. Ely is helping people in the same similar ways. And so he can be an advocate. He's written a really good book, like sharing stuff like you're sharing and helping people. And so there are people that are on the same team and are really making a difference and their voices need to be heard and your voice needs to be heard. Because people need to understand that if your health situation isn't satisfied, you're alright if you're not satisfied with the health care that you're getting. There are options and there are people out there that are willing to help and there are people out there that want to make a difference and they want to see you well. They want to see

Muneeza Ahmed 14:46
I think that doctors ultimately do have a really good heart. I know I wanted to be one is because I wanted to help people heal. But I'm really fortunate because I work with I trained practitioners, and I also so many people have Come through our practitioner program, including doctors, dentists, nurses, you know, physician assistants like people who have medical training and medical backgrounds. Why would they want to come through a training with someone like me, I call myself an intuitive medicine woman, I work with food supplements, emotional healing, why do they want to come through this work with me because we are getting results for people that are not that they're not able to get for their own patients and clients. So I love the doctors are open to this. And we are seeing it more and more that the medical system and doctors are opening up because actually, if you really care about your patients, you will care that if they've been on a pill for six months, it's been no change or in their numbers, or you know, they're just on it, or they're on eight drugs, if you're not thinking about, Hey, how can I take them off the drugs? You know, Robert, I've worked with over close to 11,000 people, and everybody who's ever been on a medication has told me, you know, I'm not a drug person, I don't want to be on these drugs. And so most people don't want to be on drugs. And I think the doctors know that. So if you're Howard, what are you doing are working with your patients to get them off the drugs? Where are those results coming in? So yeah, it's it's a very important and topical conversation.

Robert Peterson 16:22
I'm definitely want to get back to that a little bit. But I do want to bring up this, this idea of responsibility, because there is a large population that is just complacent and content in their misery. And, and, and they still they they'll talk about wanting the change and wanting things to be different. Yeah. And they know exactly what they need to do to stop it. Like, yeah, we just had a friend on the phone, asking us to look at their medical results from their learning results. And, and they're scared because it's talking about their heart. And it's talking about this and that. And we're basically saying, Look, if you're scared, you need to make a change in your lifestyle. And they're like, yeah, yeah, you still smoke. Like you're putting poison in your body. That's the most obvious thing in the world. And it impacts your lungs and your heart. And if you're not willing to make that change, you're certainly not going to be willing to make the other changes necessary to improve your lifestyle to improve the longevity and improve your body's ability to take care of itself. Because your body really does want to take care of itself. Now. One of my recent conversations, and it's come up a couple times is and I am starting to watch these drug commercials with a I mean, it's a comedy show, right? Like the first half of the commercials convincing you how great this drug is, and how much it'll help your lifestyle. And, of course, there's

Muneeza Ahmed 17:56
a long list of side effects right before

Robert Peterson 17:58
you're gonna die, your insides will be on your outside your left arm will be on top. Like some of these, some of these side effects are radically. The one that really cracks me up is the one that people are taking. psychoanalysts do psycho drugs and causing this movement disorder. And one of the side effects is uncontrolled movements. Like, wait, what? Like, it doesn't even make sense, some of these drugs that we've approved and the things that are being used for it. And it's just mind boggling to me that the drug is the simpler solution. We want the easy fix, we want the microwave popcorn solution that you know, just give it to me quick, let me take a pill and I'll feel better and it'll be great. Instead of sometimes it requires a little bit of work. Sometimes it requires us to change our diet, sometimes it requires us to change our habit, you made a radical shift in your diet. And I know you were desperate. And I know you were hurting. And that desperation led you to be able to make that radical choice. But you also got radical results.

Muneeza Ahmed 19:10
I didn't get radical results. I came off of eight drugs that I had been on for years. And to be able to do that and be well and not have to ever need them again, almost 15 years later, says something about actually fixing the root of the issue, which is the same as like if you take your car to the mechanic and mechanic looks at your car and they're like I can't figure out why the engines not working. Right. Right. And you would you accept that as an answer. Or would you and the mechanic says we'll come back in three weeks and I'll take a look at it again. You would go find another mechanic, right? You would go keep looking you would go online, you'd start to research things about what is going on with your car. Are you going to X up this answer that he doesn't know what's wrong with that with your car and so on In modern medicine today, when it comes to autoimmune illness, we're told there's no known cause. And there's no known cure. So I find that I find it really interesting. In our society, which is, you know, you the United States is considered a very developed country. And with the level of education that people have here, why are we accepting that as Okay, when we wouldn't accept it from any other field?

Robert Peterson 20:27
What's crazy, we could use my son when he was a teenager solution, you just turn up the radio. The car was making a funny sound. I don't know why the wheel fell off, but I just turned up the radio. Yeah, it's, it's crazy. But people do. People do that in their lives. You and I both know, people who know how to live healthier, they know how to do something better for themselves. And they're living on the promise of tomorrow. Right? Like, oh, I'll take care of it, then. Oh, I'll do that someday. Right. And in their body is adapting to these bad habits. Yeah, in some cases. I mean, right now we have an epidemic of diabetes in the United States. There's no other word for it, it is absolutely out of control. And we all know that diet and exercise is the solution. And yet,

Muneeza Ahmed 21:26
diabetes, especially type two diabetes can be completely reversed. I've seen it happen with hundreds of people that I've worked with. And it's even scientifically based, you know, there's a lot of research done on the types of diets that actually helped to reverse this. So if you have diabetes, or you're dealing with insulin resistance, which is a precursor to it, is different than type one, or type 1.5. But, you know, there are ways to approach this, even if you're listening to this, and you've never heard it before, that type two diabetes can be reversed completely. Well, hopefully, this will wake you up to doing more research, and looking for more answers. Because staying on insulin for the rest of your life, or Metformin, or whatever you're on, is not going to give you the total vibrancy of health that you can achieve. When you heal from within. Clearly, when you have diabetes, there's a problem in the body. If you have asthma, rheumatoid arthritis, like my father did, and he healed using my help, you know, if you have any of these conditions, know that there's a cause a root cause, if you understand that root cause you can actually turn it around and get better. And I don't know anybody who wouldn't want that.

Robert Peterson 22:46
Yet, the challenge is, is wanting it enough to change the habits. Right? So let's talk a little bit about how do you help your clients habit change, and really start to make a difference in their lives?

Muneeza Ahmed 22:57
Well, I think the biggest steps that we take are, a lot of people who end up coming to me are pretty sick. And they have looked around for answers. And they've been through the medical system, and they've been through the alternative health system, they haven't found answers, and people end up finding me because I use you know, I use, I use my intuition. I use the information I've learned about food and supplements and healing modalities, emotional support tools that I have, that help people move forward. And, you know, one of the first tools that I tell people to use is celery juice, which is actually the person who started this global salaries movement is Medical Medium, Anthony William, and it, I see massive results with people using this tool. And when you know, these are, these are some so I the way I help people is when people come to me, Robert, you know, when you've been really really sick, and you've had all the people that you trusted let you down. You have a sense of broken trust. It's hard to trust people. It's hard to trust someone saying, look, I can help you even because you've heard that 20 times before I felt that way, which is why I took matters into my own hands because I thought I'm the only one I can't trust. And I know that feeling so well. So when people come to me and say okay, what can I do? I start them gently. You know what I did for myself years ago is not what I recommend, because it's too harsh for someone who's really super sick. So if you're bedridden and you are struggling to get up, you're struggling to move, or even if you're starting off with if you're looking for prevention, prevention is such a big part of what we do as well because we can prevent chronic illness you can prevent autoimmune conditions. If you know what causes it, you can prevent it. So the reason that I recommend celery juice as we see the best results with this is have it playing on an empty stomach first thing in the morning, and I help people start with that because the thing is, everybody's will willing to make the changes. The hard part and why people resist taking responsibility is because the system is too hard to figure out, it's also really hard to deal with, on taking a belief you've had your whole life, and then realizing that it was a lie. And what has to then crumble after that one lie is there another lie, and sort of this whole system crumbles. And that can be really hard mentally to cope with. So the way we help people take responsibility is to break it down into simple steps, and give them things that they can start seeing results with, when you start to see a result, there's a building of that trust that happens again, and then they're open and willing to do a little bit more and a little bit more. So that's typically how I start. And I also am very, I'm very cognizant of people's broken trust, which can make them shy away from well, I'm not sure what to do, everything has let me down. So there's that element when people have been sick for a long time.

Robert Peterson 26:02
So you mentioned emotional tools. And one of the things I love sharing about is, we're never taught how to process our emotions, we're never taught what, you know what emotions mean. And for me, I've always helped people try to look at them as a dashboard, right? You mentioned that auto mechanic, right, your check engine light comes on, it means something's wrong. And many times your emotional signals can be simply telling you that something's not right, something's different than you thought it should be. Anger is a response to things not being as you expected them to be sadness is, is an unmet expectation. And when I was a child that, you know, you're told, don't be angry, you know, and stuff goes down, especially boys men, right? We stuffed those, we stuffed our emotions, and where do we stuffed them, right, we stuffed them down inside of us. And they have a physical effect. I think it's so important that you're including emotional wellness as a part of your healing process. Because so many of us have been taught not to process those emotions, and they are impacting our body, they, when you say your gut, right, your gut feeling that there's a reason that that term exists is because our gut is so much a part of our emotional health. And so helping people to really process their emotions and recognize your anger is a signal of something, your sadness is a signal of something. And you can treat the sadness, you can try to treat the anger. But the truth is just like your health issues, getting to cause getting to trying to understand, Okay, wait, it's okay to ask myself, What is this signal telling me? What is going on inside my body? And I know most people are like, Okay, now we're getting down a woo woo path. But it's not that Whoo, this is real stuff. Your brain is designed to help you, it's on your side.

Muneeza Ahmed 28:00
So let's step away from the woo woo. Because I'd love to talk about this a little bit more. Because the thing is that when you have, say, an emotional issue, even if it's anger, or an emotion that's coming up, but what about when it's bigger? What about when it's sadness becomes depression? What about anxiety, and things are more than just being anxious about, you know, speaking in front of somebody, or speaking in front of a group of people, and you're doing a public event? You know, it's more than that. What if you have anxiety and in your head, you're trying to get up and start your day, and panic takes over. And there are, there are legitimate, legitimate problems that are going on people's brains that cause these issues. This is not a sort of, oh, it's just an emotion. And this is just my personality. It's not that and I really, really, really want people to understand that it is not just to be put written off, as we write these things off. So when you have depression, you know, or when you have anxiety, you have actually these are physical conditions. These are not emotional conditions. When you think of other behavioral conditions, like people think about OCD, or you think about, you know, other types of mental health issues, and people think that this is something wrong with your mental when your mental, it's what your thinking is, there's nothing wrong with your thinking. There's something wrong physically with your brain that's causing these toxic heavy metals have been shown to cause major problems inside the brain and are rooted in every single one of these issues, including Alzheimer's, dementia, bipolar, schizophrenia, any kind of mood disorders, personality disorders, and the thing is even calling it a personality disorder is so wrong because there's nothing actually wrong with our personality. Right? Because I've noticed people when they heal, they come back to themselves and their true self shows up. Right. So recognizing

Robert Peterson 29:57
helping people to recognize that When those, that anxiety that stress that helplessness, that that panic feeling, your brain is putting chemicals into your body that impact your health and impact how your body feels throughout the day. And, of course, I think it helps people that are adding weight people that are not processing their food directly or

Muneeza Ahmed 30:22
correct that just a little bit. It's not your brain putting out chemicals, it's poison. So the reason that we're chronically sick is not and probably people are wondering, like, we need to tell us like what's really going on behind there, that you keep talking about these root causes. So the root cause of our sickness is not our brains, it's not our body attacking itself, that this is what it's not right. It's not a you hear from medical doctors, that autoimmune sickness is your body attacking itself. It's not, it is poisons and pathogens that actually attack our body and make it sick. We hear that it's in our genetics, our genetics didn't just get screwed up in the last 50 years, we've been on this planet for billions of years chronic illness has shown up recently in the last really amped up in the last 70 years or so. And so that's the issue. And not the fact that there's something wrong our brain or something wrong with our, with our insights. And the and the next piece is that it's not just in our heads, how many people with chronic illness go to the doctor or have something, they go to the doctor to get their bloodwork done? Well, it's all normal. So it's just you're just a little and you just have a little anxiety, you just have a little bit of this or that going on. And so that is the issue, that we write it off, right, we write it off, it's I'm just saying, I'm just overthinking. I'm just overwhelmed, blah, blah, blah. That's not it either. And it's not a woman's hormones, either. So. So what it is, is poisoning. And there's four causes and root causes of poisoning, which again, Medical Medium outlines, which are pathogens, viruses, bacteria, fungi, etc. And viruses are the major component of this toxic heavy metals, pesticides, and radiation. And these are the things that actually make us sick, not something that's coming from within our body, our body is always, you know how, I don't know if you've ever studied mathematics, but you know, you have like numbers or equations that point to a certain number or point to a certain direction, our body is consistently pointed towards healing. And the word heal is in the word health. So it's contained within it, because it's intrinsic to it, like our body will always move us towards the best health possible. So losing trust in your own body or thinking something's wrong with me, something's wrong with my genes, it actually crushes your soul and your spirit so much to think that, oh, this is just my issue, or I inherited this. It's my issue, therefore, I can't really do anything about it. Because if you think that problem is in your genes, you're gonna, you're gonna say, well, there's nothing really I can do about that I can just take some things to manage it. Or if you think your body's attacking itself, then you're like, Well, this is just my body. It's just attacking me. These are so flawed and so wrong, and actually is a major reason why people cannot take responsibility. Because when you're told this at the doctor, you come back and if you're accepting that as truth, but why wouldn't you trust your doctor? Right?

Robert Peterson 33:21
They wear the white coat, they're the professional, I've been trained my whole life to trust what they tell me.

Muneeza Ahmed 33:27
Exactly. So these are, these are the major pieces that I think are not individuals people's faults all the time. Although I do think still we can take more responsibility, but this is what their responsibility they feel like there's nothing you can do. So then you lose hope. And that's what actually crushes responsibility. It's you have to find ways to find hope and look for the stories out there. There's so many of them and people healing. And that's what I want to encourage everybody to do. If you're struggling with this symptom, please go look it up and see that there are answers for literally every kind of health issue that exists.

Robert Peterson 34:06
Well, I love that that hope is the answer because hope is also the guiding force for some of these habit change, right? You need that spark of that desire for health, that desire for wholeness, that desire for something different, is what's really going to help people start to change this habit and I love that you help them step by step right? Take a small step get a feel a little better. Because when you feel a little better, it's going to be like Okay, wow, this, this feels better. Now, what else can I do? What else can I do? Versus the hopelessness just continues down this black slide of misery, right? And I think helping people emotionally combined with helping people actually start to feel physically better, their bodies start to feel better a little bit. A Time leads towards more habit change and more possibility, because it's adding on to that hope.

Muneeza Ahmed 35:09
That's exactly the path that we take. You know, that's, that's what I want people to, to know that it's a combination of the system that we're in the way people think about chronic illness, I think that is what needs to change. If everyone started to believe that there are known causes, then their hope would change, right. And that's what needs to happen. This is why I love working with doctors, because I love to spread this message when doctors, you know, it starts to click on just a human level, that there has to be a cause, like when we see inflammation in the body, and people will say the word inflammation gets thrown around. And when I was doing research, that's what I found. That was the only thing I found. It wasn't until I discovered the pathogens, like viruses and bacteria cause inflammation in the body. That's when it all started to click. And when I speak with doctors, and they start to put these pieces together, it clicks for them too. And they're like, oh, yeah, that makes total sense. So, you know, like, when you have thyroid antibodies showing up that like, well, that's your thyroid attacking itself. No, your antibodies are attacking something, or in your body, that's a pathogen. And you make that connection, you're like, boom, like, okay, I can actually do something about this, because it wakes up the desire to take that responsibility.

Robert Peterson 36:33
Well, and it makes sense, because now it's like, Okay, we got to stop treating the inflammation, in and of itself, because that's what we're trying to do a lot of times here, take these anti-inflammatories, it'll stop the inflammation. But recognizing that inflammation is trying to attack something, inflammation is trying to do something, typically, inflammation is trying to heal, because it's like you said, it's the body moving towards healing. That's the body's reaction to something, what's figured out what the something is, and stop it from going in there.

Muneeza Ahmed 37:05
And here's the other thing, I want to say I don't, I don't not like doctors, I think doctors have a very important role to play. I think that diagnostic tools are really helpful. If you have to see into the body, you need a CAT scan, you need an MRI, you need an X ray, those can be helpful, it's just a treatment is not very helpful.

Robert Peterson 37:23
Well, and, and, and they're victims of the system as much as we are, right, they've been trained a certain way, they've been prepared a certain way. And, we've created a certain expectation, we've created an expectation where man, we should be able to go to the doctor, and they should be able to give me something to make me feel better. And so in a lot of cases, the doctors are saying, well, this will make you feel better. I went to the pharmacist and the pharmacist says this will make you feel better. That's and that's what, what people were asking for. And now we're recognizing all that stuff that's making me feel better. It's causing all kinds of other problems because my body doesn't lay

Muneeza Ahmed 37:59
and because you may not be aware of the list of side effects. I think it's important in anything in taking in medication. Sometimes you need to take medication, right? Absolutely. Surgery, something happens, you need to take medication. So I would say that even in that take responsibility and know everything there is to know about the medication you're taking, don't just blindly trust because it's hard for us, the system isn't set up that way, not as only the medical system not set up that way, the food system isn't set up easily for us either to be in the best of health. Look at what the cheapest foods are in America. It's like a McDonald's burger. Right? I mean, you know, we've

Robert Peterson 38:40
we've got convenience, convenience Trumps health. We've we've proven that convenience.

Muneeza Ahmed 38:46
It's shocking that all around the world. I graduated from London Business School. So I have a finance background. And one of the things that is used to measure economic parity across countries is the price of a coke or a price of a McDonald's burger in every country and like, Are we seriously using this to measure you know, the difference of cost of living in different places? Because that's, that's like the cheapest thing available to most people. And just on a whole other level from a socio socio political or a health level. I'm like, that's insane to me. Why aren't we measuring the cost of like a banana or, like, you know, like, oats or something that's or beans are they're healthier? Because the food

Robert Peterson 39:32
the food system, I mean, it's broken in the United States where we have food deserts where people can't get vegetables, they don't have access to it. It's more complicated to get vegetables than it is to get fast food and it's proven in cities that the poor neighborhoods have the larger number of fast food providers. And we've chosen can Virginians over, over what's really good for us. And, and I think that our food supply chain will require an entire makeover, but it won't happen unless people demand it. Right? Unless people are saying, This is what we need. So let's make this happen. And, it's going to, it's gonna take our dollars, right, we stopped giving our dollars to hamburgers and start giving our dollars to Saudi juice.

Muneeza Ahmed 40:24
Well, exactly, but here's the other thing is that it takes a real commitment to do that because I work with people who are on disability because they have lost their jobs because they are too sick to work. And they want to take that responsibility. But they keep saying to me things like, you know, Manisa it's, I can afford to live on McDonald's, I cannot afford to live on this. So that you think about the broader issues with the system, to rise up against a system, it takes a lot of knowledge. It takes understanding how the system works, and it takes understanding of health and healing. And what are the cheapest foods like I talk about budgets all the time with people? What are the cheapest foods that will heal you that you can bring into your diet? This is a constant conversation. And I think that more and more people are now open to this idea that across all levels of income, people are looking for healthier solutions because they know that what they're doing currently isn't working for them.

Robert Peterson 41:29
So powerful and recognizing that it is harder, it's harder in our, in our current economy. It's more expensive. To make healthy choices.

Muneeza Ahmed 41:40
It's less easily Yes.

Robert Peterson 41:42
Yeah. So the the irony of that is, is that farm to table no longer existed. And when we had farm to table, but like many places, we've made agriculture, a lower level, like position, right industry came and take over industry provided better jobs provided more pay, and, and the farm was relegated to you know, it's just a farm we don't, we don't need that as much. And yet, now we're starting to recognize Wait, we need agriculture we need we need these farms producing healthy food. And, and it's interesting, I just watched a program and it was sharing about Puerto Rico and, and to improve their economy in the 60s and 70s. They brought industry and they encourage people to give up their farms to work in the industry jobs. And they created this big economy and they created a middle class. And now they don't have anything to eat, and 80% of their food is imported from other places. And because it's an island instead of being grown there, which it has the capability to grow stuff. So it's interesting to see how this is impacting our country. And in impacting health, especially the Native Americans have been stuck on native lands and been given government supplement food, which is you know, peanut butter and lard and they're, they're frying all their food and oil and, and none of it is healthy. But yet, these are people who by nature by their experience, we're we're agriculture and we're growing. And now they need to get back to that we as a nation need to get back to growing more of our food and eating more food that was grown naturally and so, so powerful, so helpful. Okay, I ended every episode with a guest sharing their words of wisdom for for our audiences, entrepreneurs, Moonies and what would you share?

Muneeza Ahmed 43:44
So I can speak to you as an entrepreneur and I can speak to you as just a human. And as an entrepreneur, I would say, know that there are no limits to what you can do in your life and in your, in your businesses. With if you set goals, if you follow through, if you figure out your systems, you can make your businesses work in any economy. And I'm a huge believer of that. And I will also say to you as a human, no matter where you are in your life, no matter what you are up against, with your health, with your healing with whatever challenges you have, that there are solutions, there are ways to get better. There are ways to get your life back your hope back and your dreams back. So if you are curious if you're open and maybe you're listening to this podcast, you might be a little more curious and open because you know Roberts clearly sharing some pretty jaw dropping truth here every time he goes on a podcast. So I would love for you to take that hope and to not give up on the life that you really want to live.

Robert Peterson 44:57
When he's a thank you so much for sharing today. This has been a lot wonderful conversation, I hope that the audience is as encouraged as I am. And if you are in that position, take action, this is your chance to to make a change in your life.

Muneeza Ahmed 45:14
Thank you so much, Robert. It was a pleasure being here and talking with you.